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06 October 2005 @ 06:43 pm
Even Pointlesser(?) than the Last Post  
Still not sure if you should see Serenity? Why not make up your mind after watching the first 9 minutes?


/begin useless quiz result

You Are Midtown
You love so many things, you don't fit into any one label. Your city girl persona goes to a fancy restaurant one night and a dive bar the next.
lironesslironess on October 7th, 2005 05:43 am (UTC)
I am amazed that the let us see so much on the net. Way more than the regular teaser.
Fritters: FF Kaylee Go Team Us! by _extraflamey_fritters on October 7th, 2005 06:05 am (UTC)
They understand that because the fans are one of the main reasons it got made, that the more ammo they give the fans to keep the buzz going, the more free advertising they get.
OwlDragonowldragon1 on October 7th, 2005 09:52 pm (UTC)
While I don't need to see those 9 minutes to convince me to see the movie (I saw it yesterday), I may view them anyway when I'm somewhere with a faster connection than home. I walked into the movie right as they were doing the series episode intro speech, and I hate to miss anything, even a few seconds.

I'm still pissed at theaters out here... better than the small town place where they'd have cut the credits off right after showing the cast (if they let it run that far), if they even had the movie at all there, at least this place ran the full credits. But... the moment any words appeared on the screen, they turned on all the lights all the way! I had to shield my eyes with my hand just to read anything at all...

Not that I'm still in tune enough with Hollywood these days to really recognize many non-cast names any more, but I still like to pretend while I listen to the music. And I think the music was worth it, if for nothing else the little bit near the end when they played a cool variation on the opening theme from the series.
Frittersfritters on October 8th, 2005 05:28 am (UTC)
They tend to turn on the lights right as the credits roll, but I can ignore that as a safety thing since 98% of the audience leaves in the credits.

So did you like Serenity?
OwlDragonowldragon1 on October 8th, 2005 08:51 pm (UTC)
I loved it. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to see it again and again.

(seriously, all true, I did love it, and I do mean to go see it at least one more time before it leaves the theaters, and will rent or buy (finances depending) once it hits DVD)

BTW, as I recall CA theaters before I left, they did turn on the lights once the credits began, but they turned them on dim. Bright enough to walk out safely. And not the strip of lights directly over the screen at all, not until the credits finished... They're idiots out here, I hope they haven't become idiots out there.
jason_brez on October 7th, 2005 10:35 pm (UTC)
one flippin' solar system?! huh. kinda interesting. but even with terraforming... i guess... a lot of gas giants with lots of moons and if one or two of the gas giants are in the temperate zone. but it makes the movie universe kinda small. i guess i like my sf jumping from solar system to solar system. it's a unique cosmology, at least. reminds me of banks' against a dark background, one solar system that had been completely colonized over a decamillenium. great book. increases my interest in the game. however, the clip did not answer my premier kinda-gripe. supposed to be chinese and american alliance, right? so where are all the asiatics? why are all the people in power that we see in both the clip and in the series gwailo? that'd be something i'd play up if i were to run an adventure or play in an adventure in the rpg. confucian based bureaucracy. triads. hong kong style gun bunnies. taoist wandering mendicant monks. gene-tweaked hopping vampires with long tongues in stetson hats. but, hey, that's just me.
Frittersfritters on October 8th, 2005 05:53 am (UTC)
You're not the only one with a problem with them changing it to one solar system. I mean, they keep being on these "outer" planets that have buttloads and buttloads of sun. The science is crap and it really bothers some people. I just mentally make it multiple systems like in the series and move on.
jason_brez on October 8th, 2005 04:55 pm (UTC)
i think that joss made it one system cuz he didn't want ftl travel. it's a valid trade-off. wave hands in one direction instead of the other. your way of dealing makes much sense.
OwlDragonowldragon1 on October 8th, 2005 09:02 pm (UTC)
I wasn't all that sure about the arrangement in the series, I had the impression that there was multiple terraformed worlds per system, but also that there was sort of a small cluster of a handful of solar systems relatively near each other. I also had the impression that there was a fairly slow version of ftl, where it took a few weeks on average to reach other systems. Maybe about a week if you're near the outside of one on an edge close to another, maybe a month or more for a system you're not exactly near. I also figured on a common bit of scifi pseudoscience, where you could go incredibly fast within a system (maybe 70% light speed), but not ftl unless you're near enough to the edge of the 'gravity well' or whatever.

All of that eliminates enough ftl to keep it localized, and also largely eliminates the time distortion factor for the physics mega-geeks.
Frittersfritters on October 8th, 2005 09:19 pm (UTC)
Regardless of what is said in the movie OR the series, if you've got planets "further out" that are warm and sunny you HAVE to have another star out there. Basic science. Otherwise the central ones are on fire or the further ones are frozen.
OwlDragonowldragon1 on October 9th, 2005 12:13 am (UTC)
There are ways to compensate for temperature variances, typically through gasses in the upper atmosphere, and volcanic core differences for further out planets.

But sunlight... planets further from a sun are necessarily more dimly lit, and not reflected in series or movie at all, so I'd have to agree with you, it's not all one system. Miranda's too well lit to be as far from the sun as the dialogue implies, so I'd blame the dialogue over the science and setting. Maybe someone should remind Joss of that. ;)
Fritters: Jay Nodding by Frittersfritters on October 9th, 2005 12:15 am (UTC)
With his rabid following? Someone will.
OwlDragon: Dragonowldragon1 on October 9th, 2005 08:59 am (UTC)
I love your use of the nodding Jay image for that. :)

BTW, I was looking through some show quotes on imdb and found where I personally got confused about the whole 'one or multiple systems' thing.

Take the starting dialogue from Book in one episode, and Mal in another:

"After the Earth was used up, we found a new solar system and hundreds of new Earths were terra formed and colonized. The central planets formed the Alliance and decided all the planets had to join under their rule."

"Here's how it is: Earth got used up, so we terraformed a whole new galaxy of Earths, some rich and flush with new technologies, some not so much."

It seems both imply a whole hell of a lot of planets, yet one clearly says there's only one system. So, maybe Joss originally meant a really planet (and gas giant moons too I'd guess) heavy system? Or maybe it was just metaphorical dialogue he decided to later take seriously.
Frittersfritters on October 9th, 2005 09:08 am (UTC)
I don't remember the Book opening, although I remember the Mal opening, not that it infers anywhere near as much. I guess the beginning of the movie wasn't non-canon afterall. Weird. Still seems like crappy science, though. As you pointed out, Miranda was DAMNED sunny....
OwlDragon: Owlowldragon1 on October 8th, 2005 09:10 pm (UTC)
While disappointed by the lack of asians, I do like that they still say quite a bit in Chinese, whether I understand a word of it or not. ;)

However, I could do without triads and hopping vampires, and I don't think wandering monks should be too common (series-wise, seeing just one in the background of any crowd scene is plenty for me). This is vaguely western themed scifi, and too much later era culture seems like it would just get in the way. Then again, after what little I've heard of the Blue Sun corp, I think I'd like some Chinese culture in corp hierarchy, whether it's that corp or another one.
Phizzle: Frustrated Drewphizzledout on October 9th, 2005 01:26 am (UTC)
I WAS going to go see Serenity...and still AM gonna go...but my Friday night movie ended up being Waiting. Which was hilarious! Ryan Reynolds? Dane Cook? Anna Faris? Need I say more? But no worries, I'll be seeing Serenity this week sometime.
Fritters: TT BB Cute by ellonwyefritters on October 9th, 2005 01:44 am (UTC)
Sure you can't do it tomorrow afternoon/evening? This weekend is really important...