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11 March 2008 @ 11:56 am
*sigh*  
Okay, first of all, I'm not angry at anyone and I don't want to single anyone out. Yes, a particular post was what made me decide to bring this up, but that doesn't mean there are any hard feelings on this.

At least two people on my friends list, although it seems like more so I may be forgetting some, have recently used the term "fundie" to apply to those of the Christian faith. I realize it's only short for fundamentalist, but it's always felt derogatory and apparently that feeling was dead on.

From the wiki...

"The term is intentionally derogatory, and is used most commonly by those opposed to the Christian Right movement.


This is a derogatory term. Please do not apply it to people who share my faith. This applies to everyone, not just anyone who has used it in the past. Do not use negative terms for my religion, and I won't use negative terms for your religion/lack of religion.

Fair??
 
 
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bunnyshortagesbunnyshortages on March 11th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
Ugh, I hate that shit. I find it a lot around the "Alternative" scene around these parts. They bitch about how no-one is open-minded enough to accept their weird ways, and then in almost the same sentance they talk about how Christians or Hare Krishnas are dicks and they can't understand how stupid they could be.

It goes both ways eh, you can't just be accepting of "cool" beliefs, thats just bullshit =/

(Ignoring the obvious counter-intelligence argument about wannabe-goths and their "satan"-worshiping. And how it is supposed to mean they are even less christian than Athiests)

/ramble

Not sure how much of that made sense, or if I should even should have said anything, but feel free to delete or something if its offencive, I didn't mean it to be, Its just my 0.02c =)
Fritters: Ed Resting by Frittersfritters on March 11th, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC)
On the bright side, I don't HAVE friends who say all Christians are dicks. Otherwise they probably wouldn't be my friend or they wouldn't want to BE my friend. But I think, much like I was, a lot of people aren't aware that it's a negative term or that it bothers me. It seemed wisest that I get the fact out there before it occurred anymore.

And no, it made total sense. I can't stand people who are tolerant, but only of things they like, either. Either you're tolerant or not, there's no picking and choosing. I couldn't agree more.
bunnyshortagesbunnyshortages on March 11th, 2008 08:48 pm (UTC)
=) Thanks
dc_morgenstern on April 2nd, 2008 02:26 pm (UTC)
"On the bright side, I don't HAVE friends who say all Christians are dicks."

Of course you don't. If someone thinks that way, then makes friends with you, then finds out you're Christian, the only sane thing for them to do is realize that they were wrong. Duh.

And that's just logic of course, no brown-nosing at all. ;)
Vocabulary/Back Scritches: glomp!spazzychic on March 11th, 2008 08:13 pm (UTC)

Fair.
Fritters: Cat - I Petz You by mysticmirthfritters on March 11th, 2008 08:29 pm (UTC)
^_^
Vocabulary/Back Scritches: keep trying (still alive) CAKE!spazzychic on March 11th, 2008 08:52 pm (UTC)

As one of those who did use the word, I honestly didn't know it was derogatory so much as slang. Given, I've never been hurt as much in my life with as much malice as I received from some of those so-called "Christians", some of which will be in attendance at the event in question (but J is a good friend and I'm not gonna hide out)...but that has to do with them and the way THEY handle themselves, not the faith in general.
Fritters: Ed Resting by Frittersfritters on March 11th, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC)
...but that has to do with them and the way THEY handle themselves, not the faith in general.

Exactly. Prove you're bigger than them by NOT being intolerant ^_^

And yeah, I didn't know it was derogatory before I looked it up, I just knew it felt derogatory. It's sort of nice knowing I wasn't crazy. This post is mainly to get the word out.
Vocabulary/Back Scritches: headdesk SWspazzychic on March 11th, 2008 09:00 pm (UTC)

I was trying which is where the whole post started in the first place. o.O ;)

Knowing is half the battle!

Which is like, TLE!
Fritters: Cat LOL by Frittersfritters on March 11th, 2008 09:02 pm (UTC)
Are you sure it's not BATs?
Ed Greenedgreen86 on March 11th, 2008 08:45 pm (UTC)
As someone who recently used the term, I wish to point out that I did not use it in reference to the Christian faith.

However, I assure you that I won't use that term again, in any context.
Fritters: Gir YAY! by wilkins04fritters on March 11th, 2008 09:01 pm (UTC)
I appreciate that ^_^
"You know, that snake girl...": Big J Called...thatsnakegirl on March 12th, 2008 04:23 am (UTC)
... But what if they are a fundamentalist? Is it okay to use it as slang then?

I'm not trying to be rude. As someone with "alternative" beliefs I often gawp at things said/printed by some Christian Conservatives and will discuss such matters with the loved ones in my life. I've never used the term "fundie" and actually hadn't seen it until you posted it. I have no intention of using the word, if that makes anyone feel any better. I dunno, it's late and I can barely think straight, but all I can really say is that I've always followed the "I disapprove of what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" line-of-thinking (I just think a lot of it should have nothing to do with politics, but thats a whole other can of worms).
Fritters: Christ - Believe - by Lizzaehfritters on March 12th, 2008 05:07 am (UTC)
In general, even if they are a true Fundamentalist, because it's a derogatory term I would still personally appreciate it if the shortened term wasn't used. Just because someone is the palest shade of white you've ever seen, listens to Barry Manilow and their favorite flavor is vanilla doesn't mean it's polite to call them a honkie. Even if they really are the epitome of honkie. I'll defend to the death someone's right to say something too, but that doesn't mean something can't be said in as polite a way as possible. To me, it's sort of the difference between "I believe there are several parallels between the form of politics you're espousing and the German politics of the late 1930's" and "You're a fucking Nazi."

FYI, none of those apply to you, I was just using them as examples.
"You know, that snake girl..."thatsnakegirl on March 12th, 2008 05:36 am (UTC)
Point taken. I'm beginning to understand, through your post and the following comments that "fundie" is more akin to the N bomb and other such slurs than to something playful (like redneck, which a lot of people take pride in being, or even "hick", and yes, I've seen people pridefully epitomize that word as well, I DO live in the south, after all).

In the case of the nazi example, I would go for the latter. These days, the young and plain ol stupid who still espouse that shit a) aren't listening, and b) can't understand the big words you use. ;)

Perfectly understood, the fact that you felt you had to throw that last line in actually made me LOL.
Fritters: Lenore - Thinking Face by refchefritters on March 12th, 2008 06:01 am (UTC)
Well, talking about loaded terms is a loaded subject unto itself. As it is, I edited the original post three times!

And yeah, a lot of people nowadays miss the more polite ways of putting things. I think I'd still put thing politely the first time, though, because if they are stupid enough to go "huh??" then I can make fun of them for being ignorant, too ^_____^
"You know, that snake girl..."thatsnakegirl on March 12th, 2008 06:03 am (UTC)
But you make fun of them with big words, so they look even more uneducated, right?
Fritters: Muttley Laugh - I have no idea who madefritters on March 12th, 2008 06:04 am (UTC)
If they don't get 'em? AbsoLUTELY.
"You know, that snake girl...": Eddie Izzard: Mutley snickerthatsnakegirl on March 12th, 2008 06:13 am (UTC)
How evil of you! :D
Frittersfritters on March 12th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
I only dig the holes, I don't make them walk into them ^_^
"You know, that snake girl..."thatsnakegirl on March 12th, 2008 07:36 pm (UTC)
Well put! :)
Robyn Goodfellow: castlerobyngoodfellow on March 12th, 2008 07:27 pm (UTC)
That's why "gynephobic necropheliac" was such a popular P6 insult for a while... But hey, I'm the one that used to walk around wearing a button that said "too bad ignorance isn't painful"

But yes, politeness is always better than the alternative. And it's free!
Phizzle: Blank Drewphizzledout on March 13th, 2008 08:18 pm (UTC)
I wear frilly fundiewear!

Heh. Honestly, this is good to know. I'm Christian but haven't heard any references like that to my faith. Maybe I just haven't been listening... /shrug

I have heard a lot of very silly people spouting nonsense lately. It hurts the brain! I love when people are yelling and screaming about tolerance towards themselves and their beliefs one second and than intolerant of someone else's the next. Hypocrisy is fun, kids!
Fritters: Reminder - Arguing on the internet by Frfritters on March 13th, 2008 11:00 pm (UTC)
Today I got tired of all the arguing on the internet and broke down and uploaded a very non-pc image to remind people what's really up...
dc_morgenstern on April 2nd, 2008 02:35 pm (UTC)
Until I read this, I was fully unaware that the term was anything but a shortened version of Fundamentalist.

While I've sometimes said it in the same tone that some prejudiced homosexuals say "breeder," I've never meant the term itself to be derogatory, just the tone.

Yes, I've been pissed off and insulted Fundamentalists, usually for them having been insulting, prejudiced, and bigoted themselves.

Oddly, I've never said a word about blacks being prejudiced against whites, though I was disappointed that it still happens. I've been very pissed at whites who're prejudiced against blacks though.

btw, I won't use the term "African-American" since not only do not all black people come from Africa, but it only covers those who live on an American continent... So, for simplicity, I say black. And it's never meant as insulting, ever, nor should it be considered by default to be a derogatory term. "White" isn't derogatory, is it?

I'll avoid shortening Fundamentalist whenever possible, though I will freely admit that there are many people to whom the abbreviation applies, with all derogatory intent attached. If they could comprehend that the terms "prejudiced" and "bigoted" applied to what they say about people of other religions, I'd be quite pleased to use those terms instead.

Although, I prefer that they understand what I'm upset with them about, so... got anything else I could openly refer to them as? ;)
Frittersfritters on April 4th, 2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
If the tone is derogatory, doesn't that make what you're saying derogatory? I mean if I said "Well, aren't you a nice gentleman" in a nasty tone, the phrase is still derogatory.

Yes, there are people to whom the term applies. There are people who EVERY nasty term applies, because there are all sorts of people, but we still don't call them the terms that apply because we don't want assholes punching us in face...

If they could comprehend that the terms "prejudiced" and "bigoted" applied to what they say about people of other religions, I'd be quite pleased to use those terms instead. Although, I prefer that they understand what I'm upset with them about, so... got anything else I could openly refer to them as? ;)


Why not use prejudiced and bigoted. Odds are they WILL understand it. Odds are if they really are it's not the first time they've heard those terms.
dc_morgenstern on April 5th, 2008 08:29 pm (UTC)
"Why not use prejudiced and bigoted. Odds are they WILL understand it. Odds are if they really are it's not the first time they've heard those terms."

True.

I guess I should've said what I meant instead of meant what I said. When I said they wouldn't comprehend that those terms applied to their own behavior, I meant that they don't believe they're prejudiced or bigoted. They think they're simply being truthful, when their mouths are full of lies. :(